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Callidus Dux
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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:49:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Ramman K'arojic wrote:Soundwave,
Given the vast number of thread-naughts with comments and suggestions from every pod and his dog ; is there are definitive complete authoritative list of improvements that will be made at some point between UI - say between now and end of the year ?
Ramm Not definitive, we have a long list that we're constantly adding to. You'll very likely see us iterating based on feedback till late in the year if needed, so this feature is definitely not being left behind :)
Can I have a look at the current list of improvements concerning the UI? You just said; we will slow down the rate of patches but bring more stuff some day. What exact do you mean? What stuff? What is your time frame?
- More available independent windows; adjustable in size and position -WITHOUT any Shift+crap? Just doubleclicks? - All former options back into the right click menues? - All Icons back to the NeoCom?
WHAT? What kind of stuff do you will re implement? You just said nothing about the further improvements. Something about the performance and lag and something about the feedback from the forums; but NOTHING about the function itself. It is irrelevant what performance this unified crap will have. I can not use the whole concept of "JUST ONE WINDOW" idea! I need doubleclicks; Icons and hundreds of own windows. NOT this unified UI!
Will you bring back the 100% copy of the old UI? And if not; WHY? The old UI never had performance issues. The issues came up with the new unified Crap-UI.  I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.05 06:56:00 -
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Lord Helghast wrote:Culmen wrote:You know at the rate CCP is going... they might end up rolling back the whole thing one piece at a time.
All of this could have been avoided if they just tacked on the tree view to the old inventory scheme and didn't muck with anything else.
Adding a feature to an existing one is probably going to be a lot less painful than replacing it wholesale, AND THEN going on a loop back to the old feature. Wow you guys really dont get this... THEY COULDNT DO ANYTHING TO THE OLD CRAP, it was 10 year old uncommented crappy code that they litterally had to fork lift out and replace from the ground up, there was no "tacking on XXX" to the inventory, it was a full and entire rewrite they've said it like a DOZEN times already.
THAN; they have to absolute rebuild the old UI with their new code BEFORE they do anything else. As WE ALL said it DOZEN times already.  I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.05 12:24:00 -
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Logicycle wrote:I have high hopes for June 19 
I have NOT. Because CCP denies every statement WHAT exact will be re implemented again. From the start of this crapsh!t, till now. ABSOLUTE NO statement what they will do next. They just push out some patches and write the patch notes 5 minutes before deploying. 
I want to know what comes next. What kind of improvements will you have for me? What kind of changes will you do to make me happy again? It must be the whole old UI. I hate this daft sh!t from Arrow and Optimal. Especially that NO ONE of these guys ever asked me, how to change it but claim that a lot of peoples want these changes we have now! This is an out-and-out lie! Read the forums and say "All players want exact these changes" Mr. 'arrogant' Arrow! I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:41:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Guys, the team isn't stopping working on fixes and improvements, they are changing their release cadence. Next release in 2 days, then another one 12 days after that. The 12 days (7 days development time) isn't going to spent doing no work! Please, I understand that you are angry, upset, etc. Your vitriolic hate is doing you no good - we don't listen harder because you call us worse names. To those who are still keeping it constructive, thanks, and we are working!
CCP Goliath: You want that we calm down. Understandable! But to calm down; WE ALL need something from you.. a clear word WHAT fantastic improvements CCP will re implement or new invent. You have to understand that a simple phrase like "We listen to you.." or "We will improve the UI a little bit more.." is just not enough. Give us something .. something more than a empty clich+¬. Give us a clear direction where we can see which way CCP is going. The best would be the current list of the planned improvements. NOT a hightech masterplan with all details; just some REAL functions what you are planning to implement in this, at present, terrible unified UI. MOST of us want just the 100% copy of the old UI. Perhaps 100% is not possible. But give us a hint how near you want to come to the old UI.
- Will it be possible to have hundreds of seperate windows again? Seperate windows with seperate informations leads to a massive reduces calculation work and therefore less lag. - Can we have ALL our former options in the right click menue back? An easy to install functionality; but important for the community. - Will it be possible again to open cargo containers; wrecks and ships within a several window per simple double click at this container? And please abandon every try to implement a further mysterious shortcut with 'SHIFT + X'
If you have a closer look to ALL of the former statements from CCP, you will clearly see that not one of them will explain what will be CCP's next steps. A little bit less lag here; some mysterious improvements there.. Nothing substantial just empty words.
Come on CCP. You can do it better (I think). Bring more facts into this discussion. WHAT functions can we await with the next main patch? If you just say "Improvements" and "Some great stuff" you can bet that a lot of people have another view of Improvements and greats stuff.. and might be very disappointed about your (hard) work. The next rage would be pre-programmed. We should calm down? Than you must deliver facts. Its just as simple. I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.05 20:55:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: What I think CCP misses, is that people like Tippia represent us much better than the CSM does, and we (the players) know it. So when you ignore her, you ignore us. And no one likes being in a relationship where they feel (right or wrong) that they are being ignored.
Hm.. Chokichi Ozuwara. Now that you said this I think you are right. I have to ask; what was the statement from the CSM (at whole or in parts) concerning this UI again? Was there any? Do they have a own opinion concerning this unified UI issue?
Sadly but truth. It is irrelevant for me, who does NOT represent my interests. THIS 'CSM' does not speak in my name! It is NOT my substitute and I must ask whats their function in EvE?
Unnecessary ballast!  I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.13 09:41:00 -
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CCP has to think about it, why it was necessary to bring out two new forum rules. Sure the hate and upcoming increased personal attack on CCP employees is not tolerable. But at least obvious. It is not so, that the majority of the eve community is upset because CCP did a good job or listened to the customer. It is because they force unwanted and unfinished things that where far away from ANY usability or improvement and completely ignore ALL customers who pays to play the game and do not want to test it; or being unable to play the game any longer because of this absolute terrible UI. It is a fact that barely one loves this UI. Have a look at all the different threads in the forum. (If you are able to find all of them.)
As it is now: CCP denies every statement what they will do in the FUTURE. They only let us know little things about the next week. What comes next month? What will you bring MORE to improve the UI? Just GÇ£ImprovementsGÇ¥ and GÇ£Listened feedbackGÇ¥ is not enough to calm down the player base who donGÇÖt like the unified inventory. I had a small GÇ£conversionGÇ¥ with two CCPGÇÖs in another thread. And not surprisingly; all I got was nothing constructive from them. I can not write or link the comments from them because they are deleted and a reconstruction from my memory would not give a proper picture.
So I would really suggest to bring a information website where all interested people can have a look at the planned changes for this UI. I, and perhaps many others, do not need a tight fit high-tech masterplan with all details and the correct time frame. Just a list with all ideas which will come back to this UI. And an explanation why something will not come back. Denial of a right click menu or an icon at the NeoCom would be not a good idea. It would be easy to implement and would help players. Why deny this changes? That makes no sense.
The DEVGÇÖs and CCPGÇÖs are under enormous pressure. But its not the fault of the paying customer. Its CCPGÇÖs and its release dogma fault. So please stop forcing and do not ban people because they feel ignored from you and want a statement from you. Say something more than just empty phrases like GÇ£ImprovementsGÇ¥ and so on. WHAT exact do you plan? Why do you not rebuild (I want not a roll back) the old UI and degrade this unified UI to the asset window as many others asked?
I do not like your filters. WHY? I have containers which I can not access with this current UI. I do not like the est. price calculation. It is always wrong, not useable and causes lag and calculation time. I do not like to have elements into one window that doesnGÇÖt belong together. I do not like to have more shortcuts or SHIFT+X solutions to have my windows back! I just want double clicks and right click options and icons in the NeoCom. (without any shift)
Think about it and please react. Someone in the forum stated GÇ£Please stop beginning your DevBlogs with GÇÿHello SpacefriendsGÇÖ. At this point we are no friends anymore.GÇ¥ This alone should show the mood of many players at present. Continue to act as you do since 22.05.2012 and EVE will possibly not reach the 10th anniversary.
CCP is your company; EVE is your child; but without enough customers you can not pay your bills and employ your people or develop the game. I am at the point where EVE has no fun for me anymore. Sadly- but it is the hard fact.
Callidus Dux (no gameplay since 22.05.2012) I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:02:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote: EDIT: "(no gameplay since 22.05.2012)" All this does is tell me that you haven't tried out any of the fixes and are just soapboxing.
And all your comment tell me that you do not understand the problem. It is the UI. I tried it at 22.05. but it was and currently IS terrible. I log in but do not play. I try this crap again and again but it still keeps beeing useless crap. Not playing does not mean not logging in.  I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:07:00 -
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Rrama Ratamnim wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:At absolutely no point should any hard working developer have to suffer a personal attack for doing the oh-so-terrible-thing of communicating with their customers or changing a feature in a game. Your behaviour in the Inferno 1.1 Sisi Feedback thread was atrocious which is why your posts were deleted. You didn't bring anything but ranting and namecalling to the table, and this is why you didn't get anything constructive.
Your comment about majority is way off. This thread has 113 unique users posting in it. It's called a vocal minority and is very common on forums, and it makes it seem like far more people are angry if you get a 33 page threadnaught going, but the average posts per user in this thread is 4, and 10% of the total posts in it have been made by one user. Approximately 45% of the total posts have been made by the top 10 posters in the thread, of who I am one. Someone trolling our devblog opening is not an indication of "the mood of many players at present". I don't debate that there is a number of people who are disaffected at the moment, but your estimation of their percentage of the player base is grandly overstated.
EDIT: "(no gameplay since 22.05.2012)" All this does is tell me that you haven't tried out any of the fixes and are just soapboxing. SLAM! Lol, and about damn time, it seems to always be a select subset of people every f*cking time theres a feature release that are just purely bitching nonstop with no constructive criticism.... And then we get people wondering why we have no f*cking devblogs, no f*cking dev to player discussions, its because EVERY TIME THEY SAY SOMETHING THIS SUBSET IS CASTRATING THEM! For the love of god file bug reports, drop notes on your thoughts on changes, and tweaks that have been made, and maybe even the suggestions, why the hell is there call for peoples jobs and other personal attacks, and **** its rediculous! For the love of god i work for an ISP and i've had a$$hole customers that have come in and got upset but even they later apologize, this group just is insanely poor mannered and idiotic, bitching and RANTING isn't going to result i anything but Goliath having to ban and erase more people and threads... how about people follow the awesome eve motto of HTFU! That said, Goliath any update when we're gonna get any devblogs on new modules, and new stuff in the pipeline?
File Bug reports? I have given up to file bug reports. My last bug report is open since 2011.09.10 06:28. It is worthless to try to give feedback to this Dev or BughHunter Team. They deny a problem even if you have pictures. BTW.. CCP Goliath was also involved in this bug report.  I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.14 05:18:00 -
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Even if we get an questionaire concerning the unified UI. What do you like, what do you hate or do you want back the old UI? etc. We will NEVER ever get the official correct answer from CCP what was the result. I know there was a questionaire concerning the new overview which has a lot of annoyance functions (MouseOver lock ). But did we get the results? Was there an analysis I can see?
Either CCP has hidden this result very good or there was never a public result available.
But I would like such questionaire; if it is not manipulated from CCP. Mr. Chribba is your man of the month. Let him organize this questionaire; out of CCP's server- and influence range. I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:07:00 -
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vasuul wrote:sorry but it comes off to me like this
Player : Everyone i talk to hates the new UI
CCP : you are exaggerating your position not everyone disagrees with this , It would be impossible to say everyone after and 9 out of 10 dentists prefer trident sugarless even they couldn't get a consensus of everyone No one has ever carried a 100 % of a vote before there is always differing opinions you WILL adapt give it time
player: fine i can't speak for everyone but the people i talk to don't like it
CCP: exactly you can't speak for everyone, in fact we consider you the vocal minority ,i hope you can come to terms with that you WILL adapt give it time
Player : this UI is missing a lot of the function of the old one it is clunky and cumbersome and takes three times longer to use
CCP That's because this is the new and improved UI its not supposed to function like the old ,if it did it wouldn't be NEW would it ?? you WILL adapt give it time
Player : what was wrong with the old UI ?
CCP : i already answered that, and you WILL adapt give it time
Player : when ?
CCP : Earlier
Player : why cant we have the old one back ?
CCP : because this is the new and improved UI look it even has a TREE you will ADAPT
Player : I know , but i don't care for the tree Trees belong in forests not in a game
CCP : ah but you are the vocal minority you will Adapt
Player : one of the things the tutorial drilled in was when in doubt RIGHT CLICK now when i try that it does not function the same
CCP: that's because it is the NEW and improved inventory it is not supposed to function the same or it would not be new and improved
Player : NO this is not an improvement this is a mess , the window wont stay in place ,the cans in the corp hanger wont open unless i use the tree i cant get into the cargo one one ship with out it kicking me back to the other one now i have to shift click VS. just use the mouse every time i open a can in a mission it opens the UI and takes up half the screen , used to the corp hangar had tabs that were easy to see and there was a separate window by default that now i don't get even though i liked it ,the first time you open your corp hangar in station on the tree it lags to beat hell i practically need a magnifying glass to see the tree not that i want it anyway
CCP : that's because this is the NEW and IMPROVED UI we are sorry you don't like it as we said before you are the vocal minority and we don't need a survey to tell us that , you must adapt , I hope you can come to TERMS with that
Looooooool. You are so much right pal.  I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:39:00 -
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I am 'pro' for a voting. But please NOT reachable due the log in screen or the launcher. Because you would miss many players who do not log in anymore. The best solution would be an e-Mail to the owner of the accounts. CCP knows all mail addresses of all owners of the accounts. So send them an invitation for a questionaire. If CCP Goliath claims that no Dev would wast some time to develop an questionare I must ask: How long would it take to evolve such a short list of .. perhaps 10(?) questions?  I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |

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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:16:00 -
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Penritha wrote:The eve newsletter which just landed in my inbox has a link to an Inferno satisfaction (LOL) survey.
I urge everybody to complete the survey and express your disgust at the travesty of programming that is the unified inventory.
Thank you very much for the information Penritha. In case that someone did NOT get these newsletter (like me):
Link to the Newsletter Link to the Survey I can't play EVE at present. Because of THIS: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg |
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